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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96609 is a reply to message #96608] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 20:06   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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>>>>
>>>> As always, let me know what you think!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>I'm sorry, Gantt. I'm sure that Chuck has his hands full with work and family.
As soon as I get the Mac, I'll try recompiling these. With a little luck,
they will all just work, and I can have the Mac versions done in a night.
As for current PCs, I don't know. I purposely got an unusual PC that takes
a modern CPU in an older chipset to be sure I could run PARIS under Windows
XP and Windows 98. I'm sure somebody else has tried PARIS on a PCI Express
chipset, though. Maybe a new thread on that would get their attention.
All the best,
Mike
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Arrrrgh! Is it time to go shopping for a Paris friendly PC? Will current
>hardware run XP and Paris? Any ideas what a machine might cost?
>
>Whew.
>
>Gantt
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@....> wrote:
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I can't believe I got it done, but here it is!
>>
>>This things sounds so smooth that it will blow your mind.
>>
>>You can run two instances per card, and all the DSP power is going to very
>>good use. You just have to hear this.
>>
>>You can order it at www.ensoniq.ca. I've continued to leave the pricing
>>as "Pay what you can." Please be fair with this if you value these plugins.
>>
>>
>>As always, let me know what you think!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Hey, that's purty. Is it yours? I agree that the vocals are bit too far
back. I'd punch up the drums a bit and brighten up the acoustic guitar some
if it was me. But the only thing that really kind of bugged me was the
violin . . . seemed sorta mid-rangey and uneven, and maybe just too loud at
times. And maybe panned too far
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96610 is a reply to message #96609] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 20:19 |
Carl Amburn
Messages: 214
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Tinnitus . . . medications are a common cause. A lot of different meds have
this as a possible side effect. I had to quit using aspirin for this very
reason.
S
"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:48250a37$1@linux...
>
> I've been developing a bit of tinnitus. It's really aggravating. I'm in
> the
> middle of a remix and new tracking project. I've been doing some research
> on this condition and it can be partly due to stress......something I've
> had more than my share of recently.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to an audiologist soon and will be doing what I can to
> start trying to mitigate this but in the meantime, I'm still trying to get
> some "things audio" accomplished.
>
> Here's a mix that "I think" is close. Any commntes, critiques, references
> to appropriate areas of suckage, etc. would be much appreciated.
>
> http://www.mediafire.com/?segcml022dz
>
> ......and BTW, I apologize for this not having anything at all to do with
> politics
>
> ;O)
>Don't know about any tips from the master, but I thought the band was quite
ordinary.
There didn't seem to be too many dynamics going on with the playing... It
all seemed to be on the same plane with no light and shade on their part and
quite boring instrumentation.
I was wondering why they would mix in the US and not in Aus, But I guess
they had the tracks with them and they were there..
Good one for you...
Martin H
On 10/05/08 1:44 AM, in article 48247173$1@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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> and happy to take any tips from the master !Hi Deej-
The only thing I would say is the main vox could have a bit more
focus. I think I would like to hear it a bit thicker - more
of the lower mids, similar to the fiddle. Doing this might
mean adjusting the fiddle of course, which I like as is. I
don't mind the fiddle's levels bouncing a bit, seems to fit
the feel of this music, more live and immediate. This is all
taste, of course.
More people than you know have tinnitus. An audiologist friend
explained it as the brain substituting signal that it thinks
should be there that isn't. He successfully treats it with a
listening regimen lasting many weeks of decreasing levels of
white noise while sleeping.
Ted
"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
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>I've been develop
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96611 is a reply to message #96603] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 20:26 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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ing a bit of tinnitus. It's really aggravating. I'm in
the
>middle of a remix and new tracking project. I've been doing some research
>on this condition and it can be partly due to stress......something I've
>had more than my share of recently.
>
>Anyway, I'm going to an audiologist soon and will be doing what I can to
>start trying to mitigate this but in the meantime, I'm still trying to get
>some "things audio" accomplished.
>
>Here's a mix that "I think" is close. Any commntes, critiques, references
>to appropriate areas of suckage, etc. would be much appreciated.
>
>http://www.mediafire.com/?segcml022dz
>
>......and BTW, I apologize for this not having anything at all to do with
>politics
>
>;O)
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>There's somethin' funky on the bass that's making it warble a bit, and just
>a bit too much in the finger/mid sound.... sounds like a compression issue.
>Possibly attack/release timing, too much X:1 or threshold... not sure what's
>going on there exactly. It may be a bit too loud also, however temper that
>with some new compression settings. Vocal is too low in volume overall.
>Snare isn't quite as snappy as I personally like, migh
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96613 is a reply to message #96612] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 20:45 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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at really kind of bugged me was the
>violin . . . seemed sorta mid-rangey and uneven, and maybe just too loud
at
>times. And maybe panned too far.
>
>Tinnitus . . . medications are a common cause. A lot of different meds
have
>this as a possible side effect. I had to quit using aspirin for this very
>reason.
>
>S
Thanks Sarah,
I know the singer will agree with you. The first think he's going to say
is "more me" :o)
there are two acoustic guitars in this song. I'm going to do a bit of tweaking
on them both.
>
>
thanks,
DeejHet Terry...I get this on opening a project, Also, I've done re-boots,
pulled and reset cards etc. Otherwise, Paris opens up as normal....I also
get no "sample rate" light showing........ "Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net>
wrote:
>
>Hi Ced,
>
>Are you getting this messages when Paris starts up or just when you open
>a project?
>
>"Ced" <cedmo1@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>Anyone with ideas...I've been running Paris on 98SE for years, just last
>night
>>I go to open a project and get 2 error messages " I/O modules not available
>>in this configuration....bla, bla" I have had this before when I forget
>>to turn on the MEC, but it's on, I tried another cable...nada! any thoughts
>>? Thanks
>Deej, I have tinnitus and have for many years. I have a couple tricks.
Once you have the frequencies and dbs you are losing identified by the
audiologist, you can set up an EQ on the output of Cubase that you can
switch on for mixing. Use a really transparent EQ, duh. For an instant
treble boost, cup your hands behind your ears, catching more of the high
freq content. This is not accurate by any means but it can help a little
to hear a shaker or hihat better.
Next, stop listening really loud and use cans when you are around drums
or loud amps. I seem to have noticed that when I eat a lot of sugar it
gets worse. That is probably the candida kicking in.
Deej wrote:
> I've been developing a bit of tinnitus. It's really aggravating. I'm in the
> middle of a remix and new tracking project. I've been doing some research
>
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96614 is a reply to message #96613] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 20:50 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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on this condition and it can be partly due to stress......something I've
> had more than my share of recently.
>
> Anyway, I'm going to an audiologist soon and will be doing what I can to
> start trying to mitigate this but in the meantime, I'm still trying to get
> some "things audio" accomplished.
>
> Here's a mix that "I think" is close. Any commntes, critiques, references
> to appropriate areas of suckage, etc. would be much appreciated.
>
> http://www.mediafire.com/?segcml022dz
>
> ......and BTW, I apologize for this not having anything at all to do with
> politics
>
> ;O)
>Hi Mike,
I wasn't trying to make you feel guilty!!! We all appreciate what you're
doing... I have an old Mac G3 - 600mHz or thereabouts - that, I think, has
OS 9 mounted on it. Would that be enough computer to work with?
Gantt
"Mike Audet" <Mike@...> wrote:
>
>I'm sorry, Gantt. I'm sure that Chuck has his hands full with work and
family.
> As soon as I get the Mac, I'll try recompiling these. With a little luck,
>they will all just work, and I can have the Mac versions done in a night.
>
>As for current PCs, I don't know. I purposely got an unusual PC that takes
>a modern CPU in an older chipset to be sure I could run PARIS under Windows
>XP and Windows 98. I'm sure somebody else has tried PARIS on a PCI Express
>chipset, though. Maybe a new thread on that would get their attention.
>
>All the best,
>
>Mike
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Arrrrgh! Is it time to go shopping for a Paris friendly PC? Will current
>>hardware run XP and Paris? Any ideas what a machine might cost?
>>
>>Whew.
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"Mike Audet" <mike@....> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi All,
>>>
>>>I can't believe I got it done, but here it is!
>>>
>>>This things sounds so smooth that it will blow your mind.
>>>
>>>You can run two instances per card, and all the DSP power is going to
very
>>>good use. You just have to hear this.
>>>
>>>You can order it at www.ensoniq.ca. I've continued to leave the pricing
>>>as "Pay what you can." Please be fair with this if you value these plugins.
>>>
>>>
>>>As always, let me know what you think!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>"Mike Audet" <
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96615 is a reply to message #96614] |
Thu, 06 March 2008 21:01 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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mike@..> wrote:
>
>Hi Derek,
>
>VST is on my to-do list, but not until after I've ported all the plugins
>I can to PARIS.
>
>I think you should buy another PARIS rig and come on home!
>
>:)
oh i still have it ready in the second control room and
use it every now and then to export an old project (which
is a real PITA). but other than that, theres just no way back,
im too spoiled with the typical 2008 daw featureset to return to
a 1999 daw featureset ;-) as lovely as paris is...
so...you have like what, all the ensoniq effect algorithms that
were done for the first and second generation ESP? dp4, ASR,
dp pro etc? or just parts of them? what about the waveboy stuff.
i know people that would kill for mr. mauchlys resonant filter
in VST form (me being one of them)
or do you just have parts of the code?Hi Ced,
This normally happens when: (1)The power goes out and you're running dual
monitors but the settings show up on just one monitor (2)When you originally
did this project you were using only 1 Mec. You just need to reset your Patch
Bay configuration.
"ced" <cedmo1@netzero.net> wrote:
>
>
> Het Terry...I get this on opening a project, Also, I've done re-boots,
>pulled and reset cards etc. Otherwise, Paris opens up as normal....I also
>get no "sample rate" light showing........ "Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net>
>wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ced,
>>
>>Are you getting this messages when Paris starts up or just when you open
>>a project?
>>
>>"Ced" <cedmo1@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Anyone with ideas...I've been running Paris on 98SE for years, just last
>>night
>>>I go to open a project and get 2 error messages " I/O modules not available
>>>in this configuration....bla, bla" I have had this before when I forget
>>>to turn on the MEC, but it's on, I tried another cable...nada! any
thoughts
>>>? Thanks
>>
>Hey Terry...unfortunately I've checked the patch bay and the MEC and 8in card
do not appear in it !"Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>Hi Ced,
>
>This normally happens when: (1)The power goes out and you're running dual
>monitors but the settings show up on just one monitor (2)When you originally
>did this project you were using only 1 Mec. You just need to reset your
Patch
>Bay configuration.
>
>"ced" <cedmo1@netzero.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Het Terry...I get this on opening a project, Also, I've done re-boots,
>>pulled and reset cards etc. Otherwise, Paris opens up as normal....I also
>>get no "sample rate" light showing........ "Terry Thomas" <god1stjt@alltel.net>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ced,
>>>
>>>Are you getting this messages when Paris starts up or just when you open
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96616 is a reply to message #96610] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 04:19 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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/>
>>>a project?
>>>
>>>"Ced" <cedmo1@netzero.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Anyone with ideas...I've been running Paris on 98SE for years, just last
>>>night
>>>>I go to open a project and get 2 error messages " I/O modules not available
>>>>in this configuration....bla, bla" I have had this before when I forget
>>>>to turn on the MEC, but it's on, I tried another cable...nada! any
>thoughts
>>>>? Thanks
>>>
>>
>Hi everyone,
I dug my Paris Mec system out of mothballs and beefed it up with another
DSP card and some more inputs. I bought a Power Mac Mirrored Door G4/1.25
GHz Dual Processor, Dual Bootable and put 2 gigs of Ram in it, I thought
it would handle Paris no problem, such is not the case.
I have tons of work in on these projects and then I get this error code;
_tpt Que Project, error in queing the project and error in setting direction?
One of the codes I get is Error code 1879048261/70000045.
Anyone know what that is?
And would anyone happen to know the best configuration for the Paris Memoery,
the Disk Cache, Overview Cache etc?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks MichaelHey folks,
Haven't been around much lately, but I just poked my head in today to see
what was happening and saw this thread. Coincidentally, I happened to get
to hear one of these at the East Coast Amp Show this morning (www.ampshow.com)
If you aren't familiar with the amp show, its run out of a hotel. Each
manufacturer gets their own hotel suite to show off their amps, so you can
actually play a 50 watter full open. Very cool deal.
Anyway, fractal was in the second or third room that I wandered into. I
thought it sounded decent but definitely was not blown away. Then I got
to hear more and more tube amps, and the fractal simply faded into the background.
It wasn't in the same league at all. It suffered from the same thing that
most amp modelers do, a lack of immediacy and 3-dimensionality. It was playing
out of a decent set of monitors (QSC), but they were full range. I imagine
that it would feel better out of a slightly driven tube power amp with some
12" guitar speakers.
I actually own a 1st generation Vox Valvetronix amp, and I can say without
hesitation that the Vox sounds much better on the clean to crunch tones.
With higher gain, it might be a tossup, but I never cared for the high gain
models on the Vox. A big difference is that the Vox still responds like
an amp. It still has the punch and impact that the Fractal lacks. I can't
speak for the pedalboard version of the Vox, especially if you are trying
to do DI. My Vox amp sounds lousy run DI. In a DI contest, the fractal
would surely win.
If I were looking for a rig to do DI recording, I might consider the fractal,
it might be the best solution on the market. But for a live situation though,
the amp felt limp and flat and simply doesn't cut it for me. I also don't
think it will compete with most real tube amps with a decent mic and pre
for recording. I remember that I was blown away by the Pod when I first
got it. I sold it 6 months later. I think this might be one of those type
of products. A few other folks I spoke with at the show seemed to share
my opinion. "Not bad for modeling, but..."
Standouts in the tube amp department for me were Reason Amps and 65 Amps.
Ooh la la....
Regards,
Chris
"DC" <dc@spammersattheatm.com> wrote:
>
>There goes my budget again...
>
>I really need to hear one of these.
>
>DC
>
>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96617 is a reply to message #96615] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 04:21 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
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;>Honestly, I can't say how he likes it compared to other setups, but
>>when he first got it and started playing thru it, he expressed the
>>"well, I guess I should just sell the rest of this gear" emotion!
>>
>>- Paul
>>
>>On 6 May 2008 14:38:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Do you/he like it as well as a good tube amp in a band context?
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>The guitar player in my band recently got one and loves it. Awesome
>>>>sounds, to say the least. He had to wait about 6 months to get it,
>>>>IIRC.
>>>>
>>>>- Paul Artola
>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>
>>>>On 6 May 2008 00:53:16 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, you guys seen this?
>>>>>
>>>>>This is an amazing tool especially for recording guitars direct.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.fractalaudio.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>This is a revolution in processing and quality for amp emulators and
>FX.
>>>>>This guy has really good ears and this box finally starts to deliver
>on
>>>the
>>>>>promise of amp modeling and the FX are stellar.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cliff regularly releases updates and posts of several forums, so the
>>>>>product gets almost real-time feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>>I want one. Take a look.
>>>>>
>>>>>DC
>>>>
>>
>Try this:
http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=TptQu e3
- Kerry
On 5/10/08 4:17 PM, in article 48262d23$1@linux, "Michael"
<mymessangerid@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I dug my Paris Mec system out of mothballs and beefed it up with another
> DSP card and some more inputs. I bought a Power Mac Mirrored Door G4/1.25
> GHz Dual Processor, Dual Bootable and put 2 gigs of Ram in it, I thought
> it would handle Paris no problem, such is not the case.
>
> I have tons of work in on these projects and then I get this error code;
> _tpt Que Project, error in queing the project and error in setting direction?
>
> One of the codes I get is Error code 1879048261/70000045.
>
> Anyone know what that is?
>
> And would anyone happen to know the best configuration for the Paris Memoery,
> the Disk Cache, Overview Cache etc?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Michael
>
>Your machine should be no problem. I'm not an expert on
Configging, but I have 250 MB as minimum allocated memory.
I clear the undo cache a fair bit while working on a project.
IIRC this is more of an issue with Macs.
Inside Paris config I have
Disk I/O at 96
Disk Cache at 100 MB
Overview Cache at 3.5MB
Ted
"Michael" <mymessangerid@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I dug my Paris Mec system out of mothballs and beefed it up with another
>DSP card an
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96620 is a reply to message #96617] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 07:03 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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>One of the codes I get is Error code 1879048261/70000045.
>
>Anyone know what that is?
>
>And would anyone happen to know the best configuration for the Paris Memoery,
>the Disk Cache, Overview Cache etc?
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks Michael
>
>Thanks for the comments. Aren't the amp shows great?
I see it as a really killer direct recording tool. I need to hear one in
person.
There are people who love them live, but others who feel as you do.
best,
DC
"Chris Wargo" <nospam@email.com> wrote:
>
>Hey folks,
>
>Haven't been around much lately, but I just poked my head in today to see
>what was happening and saw this thread. Coincidentally, I happened to get
>to hear one of these at the East Coast Amp Show this morning (www.ampshow.com)
> If you aren't familiar with the amp show, its run out of a hotel. Each
>manufacturer gets their own hotel suite to show off their amps, so you can
>actually play a 50 watter full open. Very cool deal.
>
>Anyway, fractal was in the second or third room that I wandered into. I
>thought it sounded decent but definitely was not blown away. Then I got
>to hear more and more tube amps, and the fractal simply faded into the background.
> It wasn't in the same league at all. It suffered from the same thing that
>most amp modelers do, a lack of immediacy and 3-dimensionality. It was
playing
>out of a decent set of monitors (QSC), but they were full range. I imagine
>that it would feel better out of a slightly driven tube power amp with some
>12" guitar speakers.
>
>I actually own a 1st generation Vox Valvetronix amp, and I can say without
>hesitation that the Vox sounds much better on the clean to crunch tones.
> With higher gain, it might be a tossup, but I never cared for the high
gain
>models on the Vox. A big difference is that the Vox still responds like
>an amp. It still has the punch and impact that the Fractal lacks. I can't
>speak for the pedalboard version of the Vox, especially if you are trying
>to do DI. My Vox amp sounds lousy run DI. In a DI contest, the fractal
>would surely win.
>
>If I were looking for a rig to do DI recording, I might consider the fractal,
>it might be the best solution on the market. But for a live situation though,
>the amp felt limp and flat and simply doesn't cut it for me. I also don't
>think it will compete with most real tube amps with a decent mic and pre
>for recording. I remember that I was blown away by the Pod when I first
>got it. I sold it 6 months later. I think this might be one of those type
>of products. A few other folks I spoke with at the show seemed to share
>my opinion. "Not bad for modeling, but..."
>
>Standouts in the tube amp department for me were Reason Amps and 65 Amps.
> Ooh la la....
>
>Regards,
>Chris
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersattheatm.com> wrote:
>>
>>There goes my budget again...
>>
>>I really need to hear one of these.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Honestly, I can't say how he likes it compared to other setups, but
>>>when he first got it and started playing thru it, he expressed the
>>>"well, I guess I should just sell the rest of this gear" emotion!
>>>
>>>- Paul
>>>
>>>On 6 May 2008 14:38:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you/he like it as well as a good tube amp in a band context?
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>The guitar player in my band recently got one and loves it. Awesome
>>>>>sounds, to say the least. He had to wait about 6 months to get it,
>>>>>IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>>- Paul Artola
>>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>>
>>>>>On 6 May 2008 00:53:16 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok, you guys seen this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is an amazing tool especially for recording guitars direct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.fractalaudio.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a revolution in processing and quality for amp emulators and
>>FX.
>>>>>>This guy has really good ears and this box finally starts to deliver
>>on
>>>>the
>>>>>>promise of amp modeling and the FX are stellar.
>
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| Re: OT UTube My first taste of Vegemite [message #96621 is a reply to message #96615] |
Fri, 07 March 2008 05:51 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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;>>>>>
>>>>>>Cliff regularly releases updates and posts of several forums, so the
>>>>>>product gets almost real-time feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I want one. Take a look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DC
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>I'm hardly surprised by your opinion. I use a Vox Tonelab into a Mesa
Boogie Satellite 60 combo 1x12, but without the tube power amp and
speaker I would not use it - or any other preamp type for that matter.
It's the whole package that makes it work.
Chris Wargo wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Haven't been around much lately, but I just poked my head in today to see
> what was happening and saw this thread. Coincidentally, I happened to get
> to hear one of these at the East Coast Amp Show this morning (www.ampshow.com)
> If you aren't familiar with the amp show, its run out of a hotel. Each
> manufacturer gets their own hotel suite to show off their amps, so you can
> actually play a 50 watter full open. Very cool deal.
>
> Anyway, fractal was in the second or third room that I wandered into. I
> thought it sounded decent but definitely was not blown away. Then I got
> to hear more and more tube amps, and the fractal simply faded into the background.
> It wasn't in the same league at all. It suffered from the same thing that
> most amp modelers do, a lack of immediacy and 3-dimensionality. It was playing
> out of a decent set of monitors (QSC), but they were full range. I imagine
> that it would feel better out of a slightly driven tube power amp with some
> 12" guitar speakers.
>
> I actually own a 1st generation Vox Valvetronix amp, and I can say without
> hesitation that the Vox sounds much better on the clean to crunch tones.
> With higher gain, it might be a tossup, but I never cared for the high gain
> models on the Vox. A big difference is that the Vox still responds like
> an amp. It still has the punch and impact that the Fractal lacks. I can't
> speak for the pedalboard version of the Vox, especially if you are trying
> to do DI. My Vox amp sounds lousy run DI. In a DI contest, the fractal
> would surely win.
>
> If I were looking for a rig to do DI recording, I might consider the fractal,
> it might be the best solution on the market. But for a live situation though,
> the amp felt limp and flat and simply doesn't cut it for me. I also don't
> think it will compete with most real tube amps with a decent mic and pre
> for recording. I remember that I was blown away by the Pod when I first
> got it. I sold it 6 months later. I think this might be one of those type
> of products. A few other folks I spoke with at the show seemed to share
> my opinion. "Not bad for modeling, but..."
>
> Standouts in the tube amp department for me were Reason Amps and 65 Amps.
> Ooh la la....
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersattheatm.com> wrote:
>> There goes my budget again...
>>
>> I really need to hear one of these.
>>
>> DC
>>
>> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Honestly, I can't say how he likes it compared to other setups, but
>>> when he first got it and started playing thru it, he expressed the
>>> "well, I guess I should just sell the rest of this gear" emotion!
>>>
>>> - Paul
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2008 14:38:50 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you/he like it as well as a good tube amp in a band context?
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> Paul Artola <artola@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> The guitar player in my band recently got one and loves it. Awesome
>>>>> sounds, to say the least. He
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