| Scooter's in prison... [message #86088] |
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86158 is a reply to message #86153] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 22:13  |
Deej [4]
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>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:468c03b4@linux...
>> You're not an A hole - more like a G# hole. No, you're in the right. The
>> mic is broken, duh.
>>
>> My advice for next time: if a guy spells that poorly he probably has no
>> idea if a mic is in "very good working condition".
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I purchase a pair of Neumann KM84i's on EBay. Seller uses the following
>>> language in his ad........
>>> It is in very good working condition it is missing the purple neumann
>>> shield on the microphone it has some minor ware and tare a few light
>>> scratches on it as well over all i would give it an 8 out of 10
>>>
>>> I plugged it in with Phantom power it works and sounds great
>>>
>>> i will offer a refund only if microphone is damaged during shipping
>>>
>>> Shipping insurance is recomended
>>>
>>> this item will be sold as is and will not arrive D.O.A.
>>>
>>> Seller offers to hship them to me for $10.00. I tell him no, and provide
>>> him with my UPS account number and tell him to ship them 2nd day, insured
>>> for $3000.00, which he does. For some reason, they arrive late, (the
>>> evening of June 28th) but the package is completely intact and shows
no
>>> signs of damage or mishandling.
>>>
>>> I put them up on stands and conncet them to my Great river preamp. the
>>> output of one if them is a bit low initially, but comes back up to an
>>> acceptable level after a minute. I leave them up for about 45 minutes
to
>>> get a burn in and they appear to function normally.
>>>
>>> The next day I do the same. Output level of same mic is a bit low, but
>>> stabilizes. I use them for a little while, then put them away. I leave
>>> the seller positive feedback because I am willing to concede that an
old
>>> mic like this may need to get the circuitry warmed up in order to
>>> stabilize.
>>>
>>> Sunday, July 2nd, I have a picker come over to do some tracking. I put
>>> the mics up and start tracking. The same mic that I thought needed to
>>> stabilize drops in level to the point it is ususable, making quite a
bit
>>> of racket as
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86159 is a reply to message #86153] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 22:33 |
excelav
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it dies.
>>>
>>> I call "a well known expert" (I'm keeping names out of this) on Monday
>>> and under his guidance, I remove the capsule of the mic that died. then
I
>>> remove the capsule of the mic that works. the connecting pin from the
>>> capsule assembly to the amp of the bad mic is physically broken off in
>>> the back of the capsule assembly. When the capsulle is screwed on to
the
>>> amp, there is barely enough current flowing between the broken pin pieces
>>> to provide some signal, though not enough to be usable. I have attached
>>> pictures.
>>>
>>> At this point I called yet another well respected expert who services
>>> these mics for an opinion and was told that he had a backlog until late
>>> 2008 but that Neumann could probably fix this issue. I boxed up both
>>> mics, called Neumann, talked to their tech support, got an RA# and
>>> shipped the mics on Monday PM.
>>>
>>> I then called PayPal and described the problem. They stated that their
>>> policy is that no matter how a seller represents an item, if he accepts
>>> Payment by PayPal, he is subject to the PP 45 day
>>> complaint/arbitration/refund policy (I guess this may be why people who
>>> sell very expensive old "vintage" mics, don't accept PayPal. The support
>>> guy also advised me to go ahead and submit a complaint so that this could
>>> be handled properly.
>>>
>>> I thought about this and then e-mailed the seller through EBay with a
>>> brief description of w
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86171 is a reply to message #86159] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 00:07 |
xpam_mark
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he is obvious intent is to sell a used mic and
then
>>
>>>>> deny responsibility for it's condition because /"this item will be
sold
>>
>>>>> as is and will not arrive D.O.A"/ because "/ I plugged it in with
>>>>> Phantom power it works and sounds great"/
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I paid for both mics at once, Paypal gave this a single
>>>>> transaction
>>
>>>>> # and has frozen the payment for both mics. I clearly told him (when
>> he
>>>>> replied to my complaint) and to PayPal (when I made the complaint)
that
>>
>>>>> my problem was with only one of the mics. I will be fine with releasing
>>
>>>>> the funds to him for the working mic, but I have not yet received a
>>>>> reply
>>
>>>>> from him to my reply *to* his reply to my reply (sigh).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have asked him to pay for the repair or give me a full refund for
>> the
>>>>> mic if the capsule is not repairable. II am also willing to abide by
>> the
>>>>> opinion of the folks at Neumann as to the condition of the mic. I think
>> I
>>>>> have a reasonalbe expectation to have a functional mic and I think
the
>>
>>>>> sellers attempts to have it both ways by stating that the mic works,
>> but
>>>>> "if it doesn't", anyone who buys it is screwed. IMO, a seller has
to
>>
>>>>> responsibility to have his products serviced and confirmed to be in
>>>>> good
>>
>>>>> working order, or be willing abide by the rules of the game if he
>>>>> accepts
>>
>>>>> Payment by PayPal. that's part of the beauty of PayPal..Seller gets
>> his
>>>>> money immediately.....buyer has recourse if he gets crapped on. Am
I
>>
>>>>> being an asshole here?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>P.S. - what don't you like about your '184's that you'd rather
have a pair of '84's? Have you been hanging around on r.a.p.
lately? You know, the place where anything that has a frequency
repsonse above 16k seriously disturbs the vast majority of the
posters therein? lol
Neil
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Just get your money back now - there are perfectly useable '84's
>out there for sale that you won't have to pay Nuemann their
>ungodly sums to repair after you buy 'em.
>
>My opinion, anyway.
>
>Neil
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>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>Hopefully the capsule is good and the mic can be fixed. I have fallen in
>
>>love with KM84's. If the capsule is damaged and would be prohibitively
>>expensive to fix (which is likely if it's damaged), I will definitely want
>
>>my money back..
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"Neil" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86174 is a reply to message #86171] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 00:36 |
excelav
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gt;>>>> I call "a well known expert" (I'm keeping names out of this) on Monday
>>>
>>>>>> and under his guidance, I remove the capsule of the mic that died.
>then
>>> I
>>>>>> remove the capsule of the mic that works. the connecting pin from
the
>>>
>>>>>> capsule assembly to the amp of the bad mic is physically broken off
>in
>>>
>>>>>> the back of the capsule assembly. When the capsulle is screwed on
to
>>> the
>>>>>> amp, there is barely enough current flowing between the broken pin
>
>>>>>> pieces
>>>
>>>>>> to provide some signal, though not enough to be usable. I have attached
>>>
>>>>>> pictures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point I called yet another well respected expert who services
>>>
>>>>>> these mics for an opinion and was told that he had a backlog until
>late
>>>
>>>>>> 2008 but that Neumann could probably fix this issue. I boxed up both
>>>
>>>>>> mics, called Neumann, talked to their tech support, got an RA# and
>>>>>> shipped the mics on Monday PM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I then called PayPal and described the problem. They stated that their
>>>
>>>>>> policy is that no matter how a seller represents an item, if he accepts
>>>
>>>>>> Payment by PayPal, he is subject to the PP 45 day
>>>>>> complaint/arbitration/refund policy (I guess this may be why people
>who
>>>
>>>>>> sell very expensive old "vintage" mics, don't accept PayPal. The
>>>>>> support
>>>
>>>>>> guy also advised me to go ahead and submit a complaint so that this
>
>>>>>> could
>>>
>>>>>> be handled properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought about this and then e-mailed the seller through EBay with
>a
>>>
>>>>>> brief description of what had happened. I didn't hear back from him
>for
>>> a
>>>>>> few hours. I decided to file the complaint (the seller thinks a little
>>>
>>>>>> prematurely) because I'm extremely busy and don't have the time to
>jack
>>>
>>>>>> around with waiting for some dude who probably is going to tell me
>that
>>> I
>>>>>> bought these "as is:" so he's not going to do jack ****. Judging by
>the
>>>
>>>>>> language in his ad, he is obvious intent is to sell a used mic and
>then
>>>
>>>>>> deny responsibility for it's condition because /"this item will be
>sold
>>>
>>>>>> as is and will not arrive D.O.A"/ because "/ I plugged it in with
>>>>>> Phantom power it works and sounds great"/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I paid for both mics at once, Paypal gave this a single
>>>>>> transaction
>>>
>>>>>> # and has frozen the payment for both mics. I clearly told him (when
>>> he
>>>>>> replied to my complaint) and to PayPal (when I made the complaint)
>that
>>>
>>>>>> my problem was with only one of the mics. I will be fine with releasing
>>>
>>>>>> the funds to him for the working mic, but I have not yet received
a
>
>>>>>> reply
>>>
>>>>>> from him to my reply *to* his reply to my reply (sigh).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have asked him to pay for the repair or give me a full refund for
>>> the
>>>>>> mic if the capsule is not repairable. II am also willing to abide
by
>>> the
>>>>>> opinion of the folks at Neumann as to the condition of the mic. I
think
>>> I
>>>>>> have a reasonalbe expecta
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86197 is a reply to message #86158] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 07:41 |
TCB
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ly. When the capsulle is screwed on
> to
>>>> the
>>>>>>> amp, there is barely enough current flowing between the broken pin
>>
>>>>>>> pieces
>>>>
>>>>>>> to provide some signal, though not enough to be usable. I have
>>>>>>> attached
>>>>
>>>>>>> pictures.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At this point I called yet another well respected expert who
>>>>>>> services
>>>>
>>>>>>> these mics for an opinion and was told that he had a backlog until
>>late
>>>>
>>>>>>> 2008 but that Neumann could probably fix this issue. I boxed up both
>>>>
>>>>>>> mics, called Neumann, talked to their tech support, got an RA# and
>>>>>>> shipped the mics on Monday PM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I then called PayPal and described the problem. They stated that
>>>>>>> their
>>>>
>>>>>>> policy is that no matter how a seller represents an item, if he
>>>>>>> accepts
>>>>
>>>>>>> Payment by PayPal, he is subject to the PP 45 day
>>>>>>> complaint/arbitration/refund policy (I guess this may be why people
>>who
>>>>
>>>>>>> sell very expensive old "vintage" mics, don't accept PayPal. The
>>>>>>> support
>>>>
>>>>>>> guy also advised me to go ahead and submit a complaint so that this
>>
>>>>>>> could
>>>>
>>>>>>> be handled properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought about this and then e-mailed the seller through EBay with
>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>> brief description of what had happened. I didn't hear back from him
>>for
>>>> a
>>>>>>> few hours. I decided to file the complaint (the seller thinks a
>>>>>>> little
>>>>
>>>>>>> prematurely) because I'm extremely busy and don't have the time to
>>jack
>>>>
>>>>>>> around with waiting for some dude who probably is going to tell me
>>that
>>>> I
>>>>>>> bought these "as is:" so he's not going to do jack ****. Judging by
>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>> language in his ad, he is obvious intent is to sell a used mic and
>>then
>>>>
>>>>>>> deny responsibility for it's condition because /"this item will be
>>sold
>>>>
>>>>>>> as is and will not arrive D.O.A"/ because "/ I plugged it in with
>>>>>>> Phantom power it works and sounds great"/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I paid for both mics at once, Paypal gave this a single
>>>>>>> transaction
>>>>
>>>>>>> # and has frozen the payment for both mics. I clearly told him (when
>>>> he
>>>>>>> replied to my complaint) and to PayPal (when I made the complaint)
>>that
>>>>
>>>>>>> my problem was with only one of the mics. I will be fine with
>>>>>>> releasing
>>>>
>>>>>>> the funds to him for the working mic, but I have not yet received
> a
>>
>>>>>>> reply
>>>>
>>>>>>> from him to my reply *to* his reply to my reply (sigh).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have asked him to pay for the repair or give me a full refund for
>>>> the
>>>>>>> mic if the capsule is not repairab
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86200 is a reply to message #86197] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 08:25 |
excelav
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>>>
>>>
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DJ,
I just got back from a gig and the beer is more inviting
than the machine room. I will asap though. An early gig
tomorrow at http://www.chathambarsinn.com/dining/beach_house_grill.asp
and a wedding on Saturday. =20
Either Thursday night after an early evening with friends on the cape
or Sunday after I recover from the rest of the week. =20
Good news, only two successful sessions this week already.
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message =
news:468c70a8$1@linux...
Tom,
Did you lose the 442 yet?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:468c700a@linux...
John,
Magma here, IRQs are very happy.
Deej,
Ya terminated for sure. To try the original setup
with my mobo means WC in series to mec A
then to mec B. Silly but that's the only way it worked.
David has the same issue with this ASUS mobo and a Lucid.
Never a dull moment here in Paris on 4rth of July.
Thanks guys,
Tom
"John" <aint@itawful.com> wrote in message news:468be028@linux...
What is you motherboard. You have 3 eds cards? IRQ conflicts are =
the=20
biggest problem. Make sure you don't have conflicts which is damn =
hard=20
with 3 cards. You may need a magma for that many cards. I think =
used=20
they are $250 or so.
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> I was more stable than ever before with Lucid WC,
> 2 MECs and one 442. Never crashed once. I added
> a third MEC and that was okay but it's in/outs weren't
> functional. I tried it in a different position and ever since
> then I get this after Paris has gotten to the EDS/DX effects
> part of the start up.
> =20
> Unhandled Exception:c00000005
> at address: 77c35ea
> =20
> I tried removing the last MEC and putting it in the last working =
position.
> All I get is this error and can't boot up Paris.
> =20
> Last working configuration:
> Submix A MEC
> Submix B 442
> Submix C MEC (no working audio)
> Submix E MEC
> =20
> I tried swapping hardware between Submix B and C and that's when =
the=20
> trouble began.
> I also reseated the eds cards and their cables.
> =20
> Is it possible it's an effect? I have added nothing new in =
months and=20
> it was very stable.
> Maybe a defective default project?
> =20
> I'll try another one to boot from that happens to be at 48k.
> =20
> Tips graciously accepted,
> Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DJ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just got back from a gig and the beer =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tomorrow at <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and a wedding on Saturday. =
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| Re: ....and Sandy Berger's not [message #86205 is a reply to message #86200] |
Wed, 06 June 2007 08:53 |
TCB
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e More
Than
>a Feeling or think it's not treasonous to out a covert CIA agent that's
OK.
>We agree to disagree. But doesn't Boston seem a bit, I guess 'contrived'
>is the best word? And I don't mean 'predictable' or 'well executed,' I like
>music made by machines after all. But doesn't More Than a Feeling actually
>have Less Than a Feeling because it's trying so very hard to have Feeling
>but ends up so buffed and perfect it's antiseptic?
>
>TCB
>
>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I always liked the way Delf's voice morphed into guitar feedback at the
>
>>beginning of the lead solo in More than A Feeling.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinboston.com> wrote in message news:468b34d3$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>As far as cracker bands are concerned, I never thougth that of
>>>>Boston.....but then again, I really never gave it any thought. I was
so
>>>
>>>>friggin glad to be hearing anything but disco that it worked for me at
>the
>>>
>>>>time.
>>>
>>> Like so much of radio they only play the lighter side. There is some
>
>>> solid
>>> writing and playing once you get past "more than a feeling". Funny,
>cuz
>>> I met Scholz and he is definitely Thad's kind of guy. Highly educated,
>>> (M.A. M.I.T.) very intellectual with a great passion for music technology.
>>>
>>> About as much of a cracker as SSC was...
>>>
>>> DC
>>
>>
>KM84's are probably the best mic on the planet for acoustic guitar,
piano, and drum overheads and they do a lot more than those things
extremely well. I sold my stereo pair last year because they had
gotten so valuable and I really wanted a National Tricone...
BTW, I got one repaired (bad amplifier, not capsule) by Neumann for
a couple hundred, so the repair may not be as expensive as you think.
DC
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Haven't visited RAP for years actually. I do like the 84's. the sound much
>more true to the source thean my 184's for close micing. I need to give
the
>184's at least 4' to get happy with the way they sound on wood instruments.
>The 84's sound magnificent........right before they go Pfffftttt!!!!!
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:468c6e55$1@linux...
>>
>> P.S. - what don't you like about your '184's that you'd rather
>> have a pair of '84's? Have you been hanging around on r.a.p.
>> lately? You know, the place where anything that has a frequency
>> repsonse above 16k seriously disturbs the vast majority of the
>> posters therein? lol
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Just get your money back now - there are perfectly useable '84's
>>>out there for sale that you won't have to pay Nuemann their
>>>ungodly sums to repair after you buy 'em.
>>>
>>>My opinion, anyway.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>Hopefully the capsule is good and the mic can be fixed. I have fallen
in
>>>
>>>>love with KM84's. If the capsule is damaged and would be prohibitively
>>
>>>>expensive to fix (which is likely if it's damaged), I will definitely
>>>>want
>>>
>>>>my money back..
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:468c2449$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Get your money back - you're not being an asshole at all...
>>>>> the bastard misrepresented the item by feigning ignorance of a
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>I especially like the part where he applies phnntom power and calls
it
>>>
>>>>>>good.
>>>>>
>>>>>>This was a sequentially numbered pair out of a lot of 5. I haven't
seen
>>>>>
>>>>>>feedback from the other buyers yet. I will say that this pair of mics
>>>>>>reproduces a signal (or at least *reproduced*) a much truer replication
>>>>> of
>>>>>>the original signal than any instrument mic I've ever heard, though
I
>>>>>>admittedly haven't heard them all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:468c03b4@linux...
>>>>>>> You're not an A hole - more like a G# hole. No, you're in the right.
>>>The
>>>>>
>>>>>>> mic is broken, duh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My advice for next time: if a guy spells that poorly he probably
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