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| Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54985] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 01:47  |
Kim
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ntent to sit around
and watch it until people start getting killed.........don't you think it
would be better to stop it first and ask questions later? If that would
have happened with Sadaam (yeah,........that guy again) right after the
first time he violated the UN sanctions instead of waiting 10
years...............and if it would have happened in Rwanda and if it could
happen in North Korea and Iran and Sudan/Darfur I think I could support the
UN.
We seem to be pretty pissed off at each other right now and probably we have
lost mutual respect or maybe it was a friendship. It is what it is and
that's sad...........and I'm sitting here just like you wondering if we are
even on the same planet.
I didn't post my experiences to make you mad, but they were very real. I
think it's great that folks in Europe don't behave in the way that I
experienced an
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54990 is a reply to message #54985] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 00:56  |
John [1]
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;"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote:
>>>right Derek. Everyone misses the point except you...
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>what a stupid start for an actually very constructive and good post ;-)
Sorry you didn't like it, but I find that you are not listening either.
>absolutely right. arafat was a terrorist. PLO *leader*.
>he was that conflicts osama bin laden, if you want.
>it makes rabins experiment to reach out for this guy all
>the more scary and unreal in a way, huh? so youre absolutely right
>about this, and i completely agree with you.
So, do you think that Rabin had any more hope of success with these
people than did Clinton or anyone else? Could the drop in terrorism
be explained in some other way? Do you really think this can be
solved by negotiation?
>no, my point doesnt rely on arafat being not a terrorist.
>he was a terrorist. my point relies on *snare roll* the selfish nature
>of man. the whole trick was to give arafat a scenario that was
>more attractive to him than the current situation. works like
>a charm, every time.
No it doesn't, or it would have worked with Hussein, Kim Il Sung,
Hitler and the Branch Davidians. You are not allowing f
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54991 is a reply to message #54985] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 06:49 |
erlilo
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or insanity
and evil in the world and you are assuming that a rational person's
version of a more attractive situation will always be accepted.
I can tell you that this is not the case.
>arafat, at that time the closest thing there was to
>"leader of palaestina", did gain (even more) popularity and power through
>the peace process. as long as he could come to his people
>and show them negotiation results, they followed him.
>rabin was VERY clever about the way he did this. it was just
>enough, never too much, and he had a very precise feel about
>the tempo in which to go.
Which is like trying to conduct an orchestra without the score, on
a piece you do not know. You are bound to be made a fool of
sooner or later.
>this must have been to incredibly hard, its unbelievable, i
>really admire than man. he had to keep the fine balance
>about not asking too much from his own people (the seddlers
>and religious extremists in particular), while at the same
>time giving arafat enough to present a negotiation path to
>his people that seemed promising enough to keep the power,
>which was also the power to at least mostly keep the terror
>under control. of course, that was when the terror really
>was still mostly PLO business.
>it looked all very promising. PLO was da shit, hamas was
>not, and arafat was powerful (and even determine
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54994 is a reply to message #54985] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 08:01 |
EK Sound
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, suppose we:
A. stop sending israel any money
or
B. Tell Israel to do any damn thing they want.
Think those choices might have an impact?
Here's how the palestinians could have peace in a week:
Go Ghandi on them. Sit down, inb the streets, renounce violence forever.
Ask the world for justice. They would get their demands in a week
or less, and if israel didn't like it, the american people would force it
on them by witholding any more aid.
They don't do this because of who they are. They hate israel, they
hate jews, and they intend to kill them all and throw them into the
sea. If this were not the case, they would have had peace decades
ago. Why do you euros never demand a DAMN THING from the
arabs and the palestinians, you hypocritical, arrogant fools?
Why do you not rise up in horror and demand that these acts stop?
Answer this one Derek, if you can.
Instead you speak of "root causes" and criticize Bush. It's wrong, and
foolish.
I cannot support the euro position on
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54997 is a reply to message #54985] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 09:02 |
Deej [3]
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an with clinton going in and out and
>in and out and in and out, ultimately ending in arafat
>denying a peace plan he would have agreed on only years before.
>it was all some stupid theather play, that was now
>doomed right from the start.
>especially considering that arafat was negotiating something he had
>no influence anymore, the amount of terror. what a joke.
>was he head of hamas or something? of course he wasnt.
So, if you could get a "peace process" going while he was at the
peak of his powers, it might have succeeded? What? Until when,
the following thursday? His greed and corruption would have
eventually toppled him and your peace process.
Do you really believe that hamas and hizbullah would not have
formed if Arafat had made a deal with Rabin??
I do not. Sorry.
>i think theres a little of it all in it (surprise surprise). allthough my
>personal number one definetly goes to the religious idiot who
>shot rabin. boy did that guy change the entire world
>with that one shot. a perfect, allthough very sad example of the "butterfly
>effect".
I think you are overstating the effect of this, and I think Israel, which
has a powerful peace movement, would settle for peace in a
moment if the terrorism stopped.
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>and about clinton and what i said about not overestimating
>the influence of america - well, to judge the influence
>america really has on israel, just look at how they
>constantly give the US the finger when the US start
>to really talk into their politics.
And why are they able to do this? Is it not the actions of the
palestinians and the arabs? How could Israel give anyone the
finger if the palestinians renounced violence? An american
president who did not force them to accept peace in this scenario
would be voted out or even impeached.
You criticize Bush, but he blasts Israel every single time they
respond to terrorism as we have. What hypocrisy!
>that actually has been
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #54999 is a reply to message #54997] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 09:17 |
Don Nafe
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in the region they want to live in, I think they
> should quit fighting & come up with a plan. HOWEVER... this is
> essentially a 3,000 year-old family feud we're looking at over
> there, and my point of view may be a little too simplistic to
> deal with the situation. I am not very familiar with the
> condition of the agricultural situation there, but I understand
> it's not the best in the world - in that case, both sides
> should realize that there may not be enough resources in that
> immediate area to provide for as many peple as want to live
> there... that's a problem, because you can't import everything
> food-wise. Israel is our ally, and we should stand by them, but
> I also hold the position that some kind of solution could be
> arrived at if both sides want peace more than war. OK, now
> this is the part where you rebut & tell me what a narrow-minded
> American I am, and how wrong my opinion is because you're
> Eurosuperior to me and have a much better world view because
> you read about cowboys & rodeos in Oklahoma & the drug problems
> in Miami in Der Spiegel & had a US soldier live next door to
> you & he was a dick, and of course, all Americans are exactly
> like he was.
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> BTW, the Israeli thing is VERY different than the situation we
> face with radical Islam... they do NOT want peace more than
> war, they only want to kill all the "infidels" and sing praise
> & glory to their blood-soaked god Allah, while trying to knock
> the rest of the world back into the 12th century, economically,
> societally, and politically. So, knowing this, and seeing what
> they've done beginning on 9/11 and continuing to this day, I
> think a slightly "different" approach is what's called for.
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> Neil
>"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I know what you mean... however you should be aware of the hard drug
>epidemic sweeping the nation. Oxycontin is the same as heroin.
My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
Crystal
>Meth is truly an epidemic. That shit will kill you. Dumb 15 year old
kids
>are DYING all the time from this crap, but at the same time I hear people
>saying reefer is the REAL problem. Its interesting.
I never compared them I said that reefer makes you dull in the mind.
It does, and you know it.
>Actually I'd be in jail for beating the shit out of people without the
>reefer.
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55000 is a reply to message #54999] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 09:30 |
Deej [3]
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Is that why the Jamaicans are so peaceful? heh
>> My buddy's brother worked in WTC7 and he can tell you there
>> was none of the nonsense prattled on about in the conspiracy
>> theories because he was there. (The CIA had an office there,
>> so that makes it a hotbed for theories) There was 40,000 gallons
>> of diesel in there for electricity backup in a tank near the top
>> of WTC7; the wreckage from the towers set it off and the
>> resulting firestorm brought down the building. That's the facts,
>> from someone who was there. He's getting me more
>> documentation, if you are interested.
>I know you've said that before, however the evidence is totally straight
>forward. The entire federal government had offices in that building. The
>building was demolished by controlled demolition. I would be very
>interested in actual documentation. All the documentation I've seen is
>videos from every angle with the building coming down as smooth as silk.
Well, my firend's brother was there. I will send you what he
gives me.
DC"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d72f42$1@linux...
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> Well, my firend's brother was there. I will send you what he
> gives me.
much appreciated"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d72f42$1@linux...
re: the personal info you shared... :(
>>Meth is truly an epidemic. That shit will kill you. Dumb 15 year old
> kids
>>are DYING all the time from this crap, but at the same time I hear people
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>>saying reefer is the REAL problem. Its interesting.
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> I never compared them I said that reefer makes you dull in the mind.
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> It does, and you know it.
definitely... I hear that mj is the REAL problem from people like the US
drug czar. I saw him give a speech where he says everything comes down to
marijuana. "You want to fix the meth problem, you fix the marijuana
problem" "You want to fix the heroin problem, you fix the marijuana
problem" Thats what I find interesting... I mean if there is anything I
actually do know a little about its the black market, and mj world and the
hard drug world are separate, so I really dont get the logic, but it seems
to be some type of talking point.
>>Actually I'd be in jail for beating the shit out of people without the
>>reefer.
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> Is that why the Jamaicans are so peaceful? heh
jah mon! u want your hair braided mon?Justin,
I think the problem with these topics is that everyone seems pretty hell
bent on changing somebody else's politics in the course of a few news group
posts. That isn't ever going to happen. It takes years for each of us to
develop our various points of view. The best we can do is try to understand
each other and live with the fact that everyone doesn't share the same view.
I'm confident th
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55003 is a reply to message #55000] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 10:17 |
EK Sound
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srespectful probably a hundred times over the
> years... I'm sorry.
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> Anyway, I thought it was a good discussion.
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>> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
Man, that's too bad Cron..........but you know that. I'm really sorry to
hear this.
Deej
"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d72f42$1@linux...
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> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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> >I know what you mean... however you should be aware of the hard drug
> >epidemic sweeping the nation. Oxycontin is the same as heroin.
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> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
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> Crystal
> >Meth is truly an epidemic. That shit will kill you. Dumb 15 year old
> kids
> >are DYING all the time from this crap, but at the same time I hear people
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> >saying reefer is the REAL problem. Its interesting.
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> I never compared them I said that reefer makes you dull in the mind.
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> It does, and you know it.
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> >Actually I'd be in jail for beating the shit out of people without the
> >reefer.
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> Is that why the Jamaicans are so peaceful? heh
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> >> My buddy's brother worked in WTC7 and he can tell you there
> >> was none of the nonsense prattled on about in the conspiracy
> >> theories because he was there. (The CIA had an office there,
> >> so that makes it a hotbed for theories) There was 40,000 gallons
> >> of diesel in there for electricity backup in a tank near the top
> >> of WTC7; the wreckage from the towers set it off and the
> >> resulting firestorm brought down the building. That's the facts,
> >> from someone who was there. He's getting me more
> >> documentation, if you are interested.
>
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> >I know you've said that before, however the evidence is totally straight
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> >forward. The entire federal government had offices in that building.
The
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> >building was demolished by controlled demolition. I would be very
> >interested in actual documentation. All the documentation I've seen is
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> >videos from every angle with the building coming down as smooth as silk.
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> Well, my firend's brother was there. I will send you what he
> gives me.
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> DC"Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:42d73aae@linux...
>> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
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> Man, that's too bad Cron..........but you know that. I'm really sorry to
> hear this.
hey man check who you're quoting...
> "DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d72f42$1@linux...
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>> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
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>> >I know what you mean... however you should be aware of the hard drug
>> >epidemic sweeping the nation. Oxycontin is the same as heroin.
>>
>> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
>>
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>> Crystal
>> >Meth is truly an epidemic. That shit will kill you. Dumb 15 year old
>> kids
>> >are DYING all
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55004 is a reply to message #54991] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 10:37 |
erlilo
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the time from this crap, but at the same time I hear
>> >people
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>> >saying reefer is the REAL problem. Its interesting.
>>
>> I never compared them I said that reefer makes you dull in the mind.
>>
>> It does, and you know it.
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>> >Actually I'd be in jail for beating the shit out of people without the
>> >reefer.
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>> Is that why the Jamaicans are so peaceful? heh
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>> >> My buddy's brother worked in WTC7 and he can tell you there
>> >> was none of the nonsense prattled on about in the conspiracy
>> >> theories because he was there. (The CIA had an office there,
>> >> so that makes it a hotbed for theories) There was 40,000 gallons
>> >> of diesel in there for electricity backup in a tank near the top
>> >> of WTC7; the wreckage from the towers set it off and the
>> >> resulting firestorm brought down the building. That's the facts,
>> >> from someone who was there. He's getting me more
>> >> documentation, if you are interested.
>>
>>
>> >I know you've said that before, however the evidence is totally straight
>>
>> >forward. The entire federal government had offices in that building.
> The
>>
>> >building was demolished by controlled demolition. I would be very
>> >interested in actual documentation. All the documentation I've seen is
>>
>> >videos from every angle with the building coming down as smooth as silk.
>>
>>
>> Well, my firend's brother was there. I will send you what he
>> gives me.
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>> DC
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>It was my mom and sister, not Cron's.
My sister is dead now, and mom is ailing. There is no getting off
that stuff once you become really hooked, when you are physically
ill as well. They both
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Tue, 28 June 2005 10:59 |
EK Sound
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> DC
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> Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
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>>Man, that's too bad Cron..........but you know that. I'm really sorry to
>>hear this.
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>>Deej
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>Sorry Don,
I've lost friends to this too. I agree with you about drugs.
Deej
"DC" <dcicchetti@urs2.net> wrote in message news:42d73dcb$1@linux...
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> It was my mom and sister, not Cron's.
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> My sister is dead now, and mom is ailing. There is no getting off
> that stuff once you become really hooked, when you are physically
> ill as well. They both ended up in wheelchairs. One died.
>
> F**k drugs.
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> DC
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> Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> My mom and my sister, both addicted to it. It's shit.
> >
> >Man, that's too bad Cron..........but you know that. I'm really sorry to
> >hear this.
> >
> >Deej
>
>Sorry man,
Overwhelmed by the numbers.
;o)
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55014 is a reply to message #55003] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 16:08 |
Don Nafe
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ghly disagreeable with his/her
repetitive "disagree" responses. An easily predictable downside being; the
common desire to "fit in" skews the response data by emotionally
manipulating the respondent.
Believe me, it aint the first or last time this has been done.
Then you get to Deej's concern where the question takes a position, which
position, when the question is answered, is assumed to be an agreed upon
position by both questioner and respondent when, in fact, that is not the
case at all. How reliable is an answer to such a question and if not
reliable, what use can it possible serve? And how reliable are the answers
to a series of questions, of which questions it can be said, are readily
identifiable as being unnecessarily emotionally manipulative to vast
majority of respondents while simultaneously being presumptuous on key
issues?
I would say NOT very reliable at all in terms of collective responses. My
matrix is mostly accurate but only because I don't care if the answer to a
series of question is repetitively "no." The answer to any question, when
answered truthfully, does not change and, I am not inclined to emotional
manipulation in such cases.
I'm with Deej on this... flawed test and therefore, almost useless for the
collection of group data and certainly "slurry" data when it comes to
presumed agreement between questioner and respondent on political issues.
Dubya Mark Wilson
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
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> the questions are simplistic while complex. they're trying to score you
> on an axis with imperfect questions."derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote:
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>you know, somehow this all feels much better to me than
>the stuff ive read the past days about the hippocrite europe
See? You can't take ONE conviction that a person may hold &
assume you know all about that person. Yeh, it goes both ways
and Americans tend to do the same thing sometimes.
>(the fact that europe is dealt with as a whole is already
>a joke, considering that europe currently is divided like
>never before
Economically you're still pretty strong - the Eurodollar is
still hanging tough, and some of the regulations the EU is
imposing on U.S.-based corporations are kicking their ass &
making it nearly impossible to do business. If we did that,
everyone would scream "foul!!!", but if you do that, somehow it
gets played off as "a fair playing field".
>and the european union faces one of
>the biggest crisis (whats the plural for crisis anyway)
"crises" - same thing but with an "e" instead of the 2nd "i".
>its also not like this discussion is new. weve had the
>"patriotic derek comes to the rescue when people start
>with the simplified generalizations about the area he lives in"
>routine before.
Hey, you have every right to defend your country's position -
but don't think that means that no one is going to disagree
with you, either. As far as the Eurogeneralizations go, don't
forget, it's you Eurofolks who WANTED it that way by forming an
economic common currency union... when...? AFTER the Americans
weren't needed over there anymore. Sure, there had been talks
about that for decades, but no action was taken before because
no one wanted to piss off America. Once the cold war was over &
Fulda looked like that picture I posted instead of acres &
acres of Soviet armor, then no one gave a shit what America
thought... irnic, innit? That's partly what I meant earlier
with the "Fuck the Americans" comment". Before it was all about
doing good business with us, and supporting us politically as
allies... now it's all about hammering our companies that try
to do business over there, and politically it's more & more
about taking sides with anyone BUT America, because we're no
longer as important to you as your Europartners.
Keep in mind, I'm not singling out Germany, OK? I'm talking
about Europe in general here. That's the American point of view
for the large part... so you can see where we're coming from,
yes?
>as to the thank you part, well, i did thank you, didnt i?
>but i you want it worded as "thanks for the tanks", here
&g
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55015 is a reply to message #54997] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 19:42 |
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t;it is, "thanks for the tanks". better?
No, no, no... it was: "Thanks for NO tanks" (meaning no SOVIET
tanks) :)
>but in return i ask for the wording "thanks for the incredible
>amounts of money as well as your ridiculous military forces,
>in that order. we appreciate the help (item 1) and the
>gesture (item 2)".
OK, not sure what you mean here... do you mean the incredible
amounts of money that your country contributed to the NATO
alliance? Not to belittle that - you guys did what you could,
and you were our best partner from everything I can tell, but
that money didn't go to us, it went to the whole European
defense package. You guys contributed a lot, but that makes
sense because you stood to lose the most - your country would
have been the first to be overrun if we couldn't turn the enemy
back, and would have suffered the most potential for damage
since that's where all the first-strike fighting would have
occurred.
On the other hand, we would have lost the most lives... if I
remember correctly, when our Army was at it's peak, we had
about 800,000 troops total - over 400,000 of them were in
Europe, with most of the ground forces stationed in Germany.
You probably don't know this part, but a big deterrent to the
Soviets was our Pershing missiles (tactical nukes); when your
Grunen Party forced their hand in Parliament & made us take
them out of there, that left us with ony conventional forces
to repel an attack that certainly would have been preceded by
Russian nukes winging their way to our bases (and your soil)
there... here's part two coming up:
You probably realize that the advance of the Red Army would have
had to have come from two points... one was the Fulda/Bad
Hersfeld area (commonly known as the Fulda Gap), and the other
was straight down the autobahn the comes out of Berlin, through
Potsdam, and straight on towards Wittenburg, then Hannover
(I think it's A-24, but check me on that). In both cases, we
had rivers in our way, fucking up our maneuvering
capabilites... in the first instance, it was the Fulda River;
in the 2nd area, it was the Leine... how many bridges over the
Leine are there in or near Hannover? Is it still just four? So,
we'd have been toast once we got backed up to the river there.
I can't remember how many bridges there are around Fulda, but
again, we would have been toast if the Russians struck first...
very little maneuvering room to defend - if you've never been
out to that area, you ought to go & see what I'm talking about.
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55024 is a reply to message #54990] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 00:27 |
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>>reduced terror in israel? nada.
>>
>>I said I'd talk about Israel when I had time... I have posted a new thread
>>on that... so have at it.
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>>>instead, theres this:
>>>
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>>>"Neil" <>Derek: "Hello, you've reached Derek the Psychic - I know what
>>>>you're thinking before you even think it, how may I help you?"
>>>>Caller: "If you know what I'm thinking, why do you need to ask
>>>>how you may help me?"
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>>>hahaha. i didnt get it, but im sure it was funny. funny is good. thanks.
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>>You didn't get it? It was a refence to your statement "i knew
>>that was coming" or whatever the exact verbage was.
>>
>>Neil
>The father of one of my best friends is an Air Force general. He's retired
now and living in San Antonio. He was in Europe from the 60's through the
80's. He has told me this same thing.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d7431c$1@linux...
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> "derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> >you know, somehow this all feels much better to me than
> >the stuff ive read the past days about the hippocrite europe
>
> See? You can't take ONE conviction that a person may hold &
> assume you know all about that person. Yeh, it goes both ways
> and Americans tend to do the same thing sometimes.
>
> >(the fact that europe is dealt with as a whole is already
> >a joke, considering that europe currently is divided like
> >never before
>
> Economically you're still pretty strong - the Eurodollar is
> still hanging tough, and some of the regulations the EU is
> imposing on U.S.-based corporations are kicking their ass &
> making it nearly impossible to do business. If we did that,
> everyone would scream "foul!!!", but if you do that, somehow it
> gets played
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55025 is a reply to message #55004] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 00:29 |
Kim
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off as "a fair playing field".
>
> >and the european union faces one of
> >the biggest crisis (whats the plural for crisis anyway)
>
> "crises" - same thing but with an "e" instead of the 2nd "i".
>
>
> >its also not like this discussion is new. weve had the
> >"patriotic derek comes to the rescue when people start
> >with the simplified generalizations about the area he lives in"
> >routine before.
>
> Hey, you have every right to defend your country's position -
> but don't think that means that no one is going to disagree
> with you, either. As far as the Eurogeneralizations go, don't
> forget, it's you Eurofolks who WANTED it that way by forming an
> economic common currency union... when...? AFTER the Americans
> weren't needed over there anymore. Sure, there had been talks
> about that for decades, but no action was taken before because
> no one wanted to piss off America. Once the cold war was over &
> Fulda looked like that picture I posted instead of acres &
> acres of Soviet armor, then no one gave a shit what America
> thought... irnic, innit? That's partly what I meant earlier
> with the "Fuck the Americans" comment". Before it was all about
> doing good business with us, and supporting us politically as
> allies... now it's all about hammering our companies that try
> to do business over there, and politically it's more & more
> about taking sides with anyone BUT America, because we're no
> longer as important to you as your Europartners.
> Keep in mind, I'm not singling out Germany, OK? I'm talking
> about Europe in general here. That's the American point of view
> for the large part... so you can see where we're coming from,
> yes?
>
>
> >as to the thank you part, well, i did thank you, didnt i?
> >but i you want it worded as "thanks for the tanks", here
> >it is, "thanks for the tanks". better?
>
> No, no, no... it was: "Thanks for NO tanks" (meaning no SOVIET
> tanks) :)
>
>
> >but in return i ask for the wording "thanks for the incredible
> >amounts of money as well as your ridiculous military forces,
> >in that order. we appreciate the help (item 1) and the
> >gesture (item 2)".
>
> OK, not sure what you mean here... do you mean the incredible
> amounts of money that your country contributed to the NATO
> alliance? Not to belittle that - you guys did what you could,
> and you were our best partner from
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55026 is a reply to message #55005] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 00:32 |
Kim
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everything I can tell, but
> that money didn't go to us, it went to the whole European
> defense package. You guys contributed a lot, but that makes
> sense because you stood to lose the most - your country would
> have been the first to be overrun if we couldn't turn the enemy
> back, and would have suffered the most potential for damage
> since that's where all the first-strike fighting would have
> occurred.
>
> On the other hand, we would have lost the most lives... if I
> remember correctly, when our Army was at it's peak, we had
> about 800,000 troops total - over 400,000 of them were in
> Europe, with most of the ground forces stationed in Germany.
> You probably don't know this part, but a big deterrent to the
> Soviets was our Pershing missiles (tactical nukes); when your
> Grunen Party forced their hand in Parliament & made us take
> them out of there, that left us with ony conventional forces
> to repel an attack that certainly would have been preceded by
> Russian nukes winging their way to our bases (and your soil)
> there... here's part two coming up:
>
> You probably realize that the advance of the Red Army would have
> had to have come from two points... one was the Fulda/Bad
> Hersfeld area (commonly known as the Fulda Gap), and the other
> was straight down the autobahn the comes out of Berlin, through
> Potsdam, and straight on towards Wittenburg, then Hannover
> (I think it's A-24, but check me on that). In both cases, we
> had rivers in our way, fucking up our maneuvering
> capabilites... in the first instance, it was the Fulda River;
> in the 2nd area, it was the Leine... how many bridges ov
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55032 is a reply to message #55025] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 01:58 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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ince i, on behalf of the deescalation
> >>>politics of willy brandt, am also responsible and
> >>>the US also wanted the cold war to end, will you thank
> >>>me too now?
> >>
> >>Yes, in fact, I will... thank you & your countrymen for your
> >>hospitality while I was over there. Most of the Germans I met
> >>were pretty cool folks - some were total shitheads & hated
> >>Americans.. I choose not to stereotype the entire population
> >>based on those few. Thanks for putting up with our lame
> >>attempts to gain at least some semblance of fluency in your
> >>language. LOL At least I got good enough at it so that
> >>when I was in New York about a year ago & sitting in the hotel
> >>bar wating to meet someone, two ladies were speaking in German
> >>at the table next to me, I was able to recognize the particular
> >>accent/dialect & I said: "You're from Mainz, aren't you?" and
> >>they said: "Wiesbaden" (which for those of you who don't know,
> >>but may be reading this, is right across the river from Mainz).
> >>And thanks also for the great beer, and the eiswein, and the
> >>kick-ass trains that get you nearly anywhere you want to go
> >>quite easily, and thanks for the C-class coupe that I drive
> >>right now... we don't build cars that are that good here.
> >>
> >>All I wanted was "thanks for no tanks!", and you're still
> >>missing that point... I never said it was America alone that
> >>was responsible for ending the cold war. Our presence on your
> >>border was 100% responsible for the Soviets staying closer to
> >>Halberstadt than Herzberg, and closer to Bad Langensalza than
> >>Bad Kissingen before said cold war came to a close... that's
> >>all I was saying.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>as to the rest, whats there to say when you completely
> >>>ignore all of my points...
> >>>
> >>>- about germany and the possibility that it might NOT have
> >>>been a case of complete sucky ungratefulness but a case
> >>>of strong disagreement about the second iraq war (even more
> >>>likely since germany wasnt exactly the only nation that
> >>>didnt agree)? nothing.
> >>>
> >>>- the stuff i say that im interested in instead of
> >>>the useless standard bullshit? israel, rabin anyone? anyone
> >>>care to loose a word about the only man that ever effectively
> >>>reduced terror in israel? nada.
> >>
> >>I said I'd talk about Israel when I had time... I have posted a new
thread
> >>on that... so have at it.
> >>
> >>
> >>>instead, theres this:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Neil" <>Derek: "Hello, you've reached Derek the Psychic - I know what
> >>>>you're thinking before you even think it, how may I help you?"
> >>>>Caller: "If you know what I'm thinking, why do you need to ask
> >>>>how you may help me?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>hahaha. i didnt get it, but im sure it was funny. funny is good.
thanks.
> >>
> >>You didn't get it? It was a refence to your statement "i knew
> >>that was coming" or whatever the exact verbage was.
> >>
> >>
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| Re: Bad hum - keyboard to PA...? [message #55039 is a reply to message #55000] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 04:45 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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rable to think the best about humans and believe the government is
>acting in our best interest. I know people are ultimately concerned with
>their own security and survival.
>
>The politicalcompass thing was helpful to show that political beliefs are
>really a complex combination of issues, at the very least needing 2 axes...
>liberal/conservative context is hardly useful to categorize people.
>
>Some people say you shouldn't catch feelings over a message board, but I
>can't help it when we're talking about life and death. If anyone is still
>heated... I know I've been disrespectful probably a hundred times over the
>years... I'm sorry.
>
>Anyway, I thought it was a good discussion.
>
>I'm just bumping this up because of the speed of the other
thread; and this guy has a problem that someone here might be
able to help him with (see below):
"Spappy" <Spappy122@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I think you guys are right. This computer is way to lame. I need to build
a
>new one.
>
>So can you guys give me a list of components that work well with Paris,
I
>can have it built but I need a list of components.
>
>Like Mother Board... etc
>
>I plan to use a a wave terminal 192x for sound as I have many virtual
>instruments.
>
>Spappy
>
>Germaine (NOT "Jackson" lol) to your post:
For the record... I'm all for a peaceful solution; however (and
let's now bring this over to a personal level where more people
may be able to understand it rather than conceptualize it), if
it's apparent that the guy on the opposite side of the ring
from you does not want to take off his gloves, but would rather
beat the shit out of you until you are dead, you have EXACTLY
two choices:
1.) get beaten until you are dead.
2.) beat the shit out of him until he is.
What would you do?
This is pretty fucking simple to me.
Neil
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
>Randy Newman wrote a satire (tinyurl.com/d83pb) many years ago, the tagline
>of which, best expresses my current view on the best solution to the
>unceasing problem of terrorism emanating from middle east command and
>means.... which is to say "most" terrorism.
>
>I really am there. This is THE one way to ratt out the enemy and
>simultaneously send the message to any further suiters: "Step right up
for
>your one-way bullet train to Allah, no purchase necessary, see fineprint
on
>tip of warhead for details."
>
>The thing that put me over the edge was the piece of human waste that blew
>up the little kids a couple of days ago while one of our guys was handing
>out candy to them.
>
>Anybody brave enough to say they think the same thing or have we all cowed
>down to international version of the old Rodney King mantra, "Can't we all
>just get long." Is there some plausible notion or a reason to believe that
>eventually, if we just keep doing what we're doing, the extremist followers
>of Bin ladin will just all of a sudden see it our way and fold up the biz
>and integrate into peaceful society???
>
>Dubya Mark Wilson
>
>"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d6fc20$1@linux...
>>
>> In a nutshell...
>> I think if there's room & resources enough for both Israelis &
>> Palestinians in
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